Common Flaws: A WARNING to potential customers.

By ModernWarfail2.com
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Before we begin, if any infinityward.com links don’t work (Framework error, MySQL error, etc.) just replace the infinityward.com to modernwarfare2.com and they should be working again.

Furthermore, guest accounts have been destroyed. And so, many links here that link to the actual infinityward.com forum post might not work correctly.

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Table of Contents

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[A] Installation Issues

[A.01] DVD Won’t Read
[A.02] Steam
[A.03] Alternate Installation
[A.04] Windows 7 64-bit Incompatibility
[A.05] Missing/Corrupted Files
[A.06] Patches Do Not Fix

[B] Game Stability

[B.01] Freezing
[B.02] Unreadable Text [SOLVED]
[B.03] Random Crashes
[B.04] Screen Flickering
[B.05] AMD Crossfire And Thermal Scope
[B.06] Video Resolution

[C] General Issues

[C.01] Pricing
[C.02] Steam P.2
[C.03] Customer Support/Public Relations
[C.04] NVIDIA SLI
[C.05] Command Console
[C.06] Field Of Vision/Field Of View
[C.07] Steam P.3
[C.08] Steam P.4
[C.09] No Mod Tools
[C.10] It’s Not Balanced For Lean

[D] Multiplayer

[D.01] IWNet
[D.02] Dedicated Servers
[D.03] Matchmaking
[D.04] Peer to Peer
[D.05] Ping Bar
[D.06] Limited Variety
[D.07] Maps
[D.08] Host Migration
[D.09] Unwanted Rejoins
[D.10] Vote-Kick
[D.11] Buggy Party/Friends System

[E] Multiplayer -- Problems and Trivial Issues

[E.01] Router Issues
[E.02] Short Matches
[E.03] Hardcore Mode
[E.04] Recording
[E.05] Overpowered

[F] Multiplayer -- Admins, Hackers and Security Issues

[F.01] Admins
[F.02] Hackers/Cheaters
[F.03] Unstoppable Hackers/Cheaters

[G] Conclusion

[G.01] Summary
[G.02] Final Words
[G.03] Credits

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[A] Installation Issues

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[A.01] DVD Won’t Read

The game itself comes in 2 DVDs however, most computers will not recognize/read the second disc. This issue has been reported days before release date. Many have reported after release. Only solution to this is to download the entire game from Steam.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=163898

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[A.02] Steam

You must register at Steam to play and also to download the release patch or fix and replace any missing/corrupted files. This is not an issue for regular Steam users.

I do not need to say more, you should already know this.  But just in case…

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&keywords=steam+required

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[A.03] Alternate Installation

As mentioned just now, if the installation fails, the user can still install the game. However, it will download the entire thing from Steam. This is very time consuming. And also, will be very unfair to those who reside in countries with lower Internet speeds or those with limited bandwidth usage.

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[A.04] Windows 7 64-bit Incompatibility

It is not advised to install this game on Windows 7 64-bit due to the game engine being highly error prone if coupled with Windows 7 64-bit.

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[A.05] Missing/Corrupted Files

This is a very common issue. Due to the game installer being very broken. Halfway during the game (most of the time, Singleplayer) the game is likely to inform you that you are missing a variety of different important game files and you can’t continue the campaign unless the problem is fixed. But the game refuses to tell you how.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=160806
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=167658

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[A.06] Patches Do Not Fix

It seems with every patch, new problems surface. Instead of fixing bugs, new patches tend to generate more. Doing the opposite of what it was intended to do. Until IW proves otherwise with useful patches, this point remains valid.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=181904
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[B] Game Stability

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[B.01] Freezing

The game freezes regularly for no apparent reason. The freeze is different for everyone, occurs at anytime and can last from 1 second to 5 minutes. However, it is more likely to happen at the menu.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=167642

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[B.02] Unreadable Text [SOLVED]

This has been an issue since launch. The text is all “pixelized”, “blur” and completely unreadable. Still no fix for this problem. Apparently, this was a problem caused by old video card drivers. Updating the graphics drivers should fix this problem.


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[B.03] Random Crashes

Game might crash at any time during singleplayer or multiplayer play (“iw4mp.exe has stopped working”, “Direct X has encountered an error”, random exits to desktop, etc.) for no apparent reason. Fixing this is very difficult as there are many factors that can influence a crash.

Infinity Ward forums crash montage (IW forum registered users only)
http://www.modernwarfare2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=181664

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[B.04] Screen Flickering

An issue with some users. The screen seems to flicker and flash for no reason at all. Calibrating the refresh rate does not help.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=167468

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[B.05] AMD Crossfire And Thermal Scope

It seems to only be an issue with ATI cards running on Crossfire. When using a thermal scope, the FPS/performance drops dramatically.

http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=227&threadid=121969

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[B.06] Video Resolution

Another typical problem, the game will not run on your preferred resolution unless you modify the cfg. Also, the game might get stuck at a certain resolution.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=182174

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=178928

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[C] General Issues

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[C.01] Pricing

The game is priced at $60 in the US. $10 more expensive than even the best AAA games.

In Australia it’s sold for an insane $89.99. (U.S. Dollar mind you)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1134/overpriced.jpg

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[C.02] Steam P.2

You are required to log in to Steam to play. Regardless of whether you are playing offline or online or LAN. Again, this is not an issue for current/regular Steam users.

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[C.03] Customer Support/Public Relations

So far, there has been ZERO customer support/tech support that has helped solved any problems. Future customer support is thus, very unlikely.

Infinity Ward has acted and listened to the gamers; They have fixed something, I shall list it out:

1. Javelin Glitch
2. Nerfed (Weakened) Akimbo

That is all.

I don’t need to say much on this too, just take a look at the forums. Even though almost all the threads mention “Where is IW?”, “Answer us IW!”, “Help! IW”. But IW gave ZERO help. Except for one embarrassing reply. Links below.

Infinity Ward | Forum -- MW2 PC
Most Embarrassing Customer Support Reply

Here, Experience The Fail First Hand

Even Infinity Ward forum community moderators get treated unethically or, quite simply, like bitches by 402.

ModernWarfail2.com -- Even Community Mods are calling out 402 at the Official IW Forums

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[C.04] NVIDIA SLI

There is no SLI support. This means, the game will only utilize one of the two/three graphics card you have in your computer.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=176946
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=180568&hilit=sli&start=10#p3022826

For those who don’t know/don’t fully understand what SLI is, click the link below for explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface

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[C.05] Command Console

There is NO official command console. Simply put, the big window that you can input commands into when you press ` (the button beside 1 and above tab) does not exist in this game. However, a fellow modder out there managed to enable it. Since this topic is already covered extensively on this site, I will not be explaining this fully.

ModernWarfail2.com -- Modern Warfare 2 Unleashed – The Dev Console Unlocker for PC v1.1

It has come to my attention that this console unlocker no longer works but instead gets the player VAC banned. Opening the console is still possible, however it requires a different tool.

ModernWarfail2.com -- Console ‘hidden’ but still accessible trough trainer

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[C.06] Field Of Vision/Field Of View

On default, the FoV is set at 65 degrees. 65 degrees is suitable if the user/gamer is sitting at a distance. (Console players sit farther; Also shows how this game is just a lazy console port). However, 65 degrees is highly uncomfortable for viewing at a close distance. Many players suffer motion sickness or nausea as a result.

Clarification, you cannot change the FoV to a higher value without modifying the cfg file. Even so, the system has a hardcoded limit of  75 degrees. If the FOV is modified above that value, scoping, aiming and zooming will be messed up.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=181252

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[C.07] Steam P.3

You can only play the game on ONE profile (your Steam profile). If you have family members or friends who want to play, their either have to use your account, or use theirs. (Which means, they have to buy their own copy of the game)

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[C.08] Steam P.4

MW2 MP user profiles are said to be stored at Steam Cloud. However, there are contradiction sources of info. Many users report account loss after a PC crash. This shows the the profiles are stored in the PC. Also, hackers are able to hack to max rank. But more on that later.

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[C.09] No Mod Tools

There are no mod tools, so there will be zero user-made maps or game-modes. Or any sort of mods for that matter. Unless modders modify the core game engine itself, which is difficult.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=137014

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[C.10] It’s Not Balanced For Lean

The infamous phrase. Just like what it says, there is NO LEAN in Modern Warfare 2. For many, the essential feature of leaning in COD 4 is gone. This is a major step back.

To lean, in COD 4, is to press Q or E so that the player literally “leans” one side. Useful when trying to peek over walls, so the players doesn’t expose themselves too much.  (This applies to both singleplayer and multiplayer)

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[D] Multiplayer

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[D.01] IWNet

First and foremost, this game uses IWNet. What is IWNet? We will be covering that in the next few points.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=128182

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[D.02] Dedicated Servers

The game does NOT support dedicated servers. That means, you won’t get to join servers like you do in

Counter-Strike 1.6 & Source
Team Fortress 2
Call of Duty 4
Call of Duty WaW
Battlefield Series

Etc.

You won’t be able to have your favorite servers where you get to know people and can instantly play the game in your preferred mode and with a preferred social atmosphere.

To summarize this entire point, it means, there won’t be a server browser.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=137014

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[D.03] Matchmaking

Instead of the traditional dedicated servers, this game utilizes a matchmaking system. That means, players are automatically thrown into random servers. The matchmaking system groups a bunch of players looking for the same match type. For instance if the player chooses, “Team Deathmatch”. The game will try to group another 11 players together and start a server. Unless you host a private match or join a game via party, you cannot play with people you prefer playing with.

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[D.04] Peer to Peer

With a matchmaking system, the players are connected via p2p (peer to peer) technology. In most cases, the player with the best connection is selected as the temporary host of the game.

With p2p technology being used, the online is now reliant on 3 things

1.) The connection of the host

This means, the entire game will be based on the host’s connection. However, most home connections are very low in bandwidth, not enough to sustain 11 players connecting simultaneously. Because of this, players will experience high pings in-game.


2.) The number of players

Online play will also be completely reliant on the number of people playing at any given time. If no one is playing in your area/nation, you will either not be able to join a room or IWNet will put you in a foreign room regardless of the ping level.

3.) The match type

If you want to play a certain match type, say for instance, “Search And Destroy” but if players in your area isn’t playing it/don’t like playing it, then you are out of luck because you can’t play either. (No rooms to join)

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[D.05] Ping Bar

Meanwhile, you can’t see your own precise ping but only a “ping-bar” that is very misleading. The default is 4 bars. And what’s worse, a 4 bar signal is actually <150MS. That means, you can get 140 MS ping (very bad) but still, the bars tell you that you have the best ping.

However, A fellow community member (SarahB) managed to increase the number of bars to get a more accurate representation of the ping

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=167264 (Thanks to SarahB for the ping guide)

Also, a fellow gamer out there (Thanks to NV^) managed to edit the cfg file so it shows the ping in numbers. This has also been covered on our site, so I shall give you a link to the article.

ModernWarfail2.com -- How to Show Pings in numbers instead of signal bars

Please remember that, anything over 100 ping is generally unplayable.

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[D.06] Limited Variety

Because of the new matchmaking system, you are only allowed to select what match type you like. IWNet does the rest. Since there are no servers you can join, you cannot have custom rules.

Also, all of the match types are capped at 6 v 6 and below. Except for one, Ground War, which is 9 v 9 mixed match types.

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[D.07] Maps

You do not get to choose what maps you want to play. You can only vote skip a map once you are inside a room. Vote skipping re-selects another map for that room randomly.

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[D.08] Host Migration

There will be frequent pauses during game play for host-migration (meaning, changing host). This happens when either the host leaves the game, or the host’s connection is deemed too unreliable by IWNet. A new host is selected then and the match pauses for a while.  If host migration fails, the match ends there.

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[D.09] Unwanted Rejoins

If you left a room because you didn’t like it, chances are, if you press “join game” (of the same match type) again, it will rejoin you into the room you just quit. An annoying problem for many.

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[D.10] Vote-Kick

Without admins, there is no player kicking. Even worse, players cannot vote-kick a certain player. For instance, if there is an annoying VoIP brat or lagger, you cannot get rid of the person. At most, you can mute them from VoIP.

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[D.11] Buggy Party/Friends System

The Party and Friends system is very buggy. Even the official tournament was marred by the invite problem.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24
ModernWarfail2.com -- i38 Tournament Fail

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[E] Multiplayer -- Problems and Trivial Issues

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[E.01] Router Issues

Your internet router is likely to prevent you from logging in to the online part of the game at all.  Port forwarding and enabling UPnP won’t solve the problem.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1022206
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=175254

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[E.02] Short Matches

One match typically lasts 5 minutes

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[E.03] Hardcore Mode

Hardcore mode that many loved in COD 4 is now limited to only 2 game modes. Plus, they are not unlocked before you reach a certain level.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=174496

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[E.04] Recording

You cannot record with the /record command because there is no command console. Refer point 05 of C.

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[E.05] Overpowered

The kill streak bonuses are extremely overpowered. Note the crazy chopper gunner in the following video.

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[F] Multiplayer -- Admins, Hackers and Security Issues

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[F.01] Admins

There are NO admins in this game since it utilizes a matchmaking system.

That means, no admins to kick annoying players, to ban cheaters. No admins that can restart the match. No admins that can set the match length. No admins that can install special and exciting mods. No admins that can set the game rules. No admins that can select the map.

Everything that can be done with an admin is no longer here in MW2.

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[F.02] Hackers/Cheaters

Since there are no admins, the hackers roam free. Usually treated as a last resort method to prevent cheating, VAC is now used as the primary and only anti-cheat method against hackers.

Human admins are generally better at doing the job. Without them, the hackers are left only to be caught by a hit or miss software.

Even worse, the hackers can even develop hacks that are completely undetectable to VAC.

ModernWarfail2.com -- Security flaw in MW2 enables hackers to create 100% VAC safe and undetectable cheat

However, nothing beats being able to disable VAC, which is what a certain modder/cheater/guy managed to achieve.

ModernWarfail2.com -- VAC can be DISABLED! *PROOF OF CONCEPT VIDEO INCLUDED*

Why Infinity Ward would choose a hardcoded software over a flexible human admin is beyond me.

But then, even after numerous patches, IW STILL fails to prevent cheating! See:

ModernWarfail2.com -- Patch 1.0.175: Your Shipment Of Fail Has Arrived


http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176882 (news story with video)
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=175582
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=176348
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=183110
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=183116

http://www.destructoid.com/big-surprise-modern-warfare-2-already-hacked-154854.phtml

[F.03] Unstoppable Hackers/Cheaters

But wait, there’s more!

As of January 17, 2010, hackers are (still) able to modify the .exe file to EVADE VAC/Steam and play online with legit players!

That means, there is still no way to stop them.

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[G] Conclusion

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[G.01] Summary

The game, right now at its early stages is already looking is still in a horrible shape. In fact, Modern Warfare 2 is a very major step back compared to its 2/3 year old predecessor. It is inferior in nearly every way compared to COD 4.

There are no dedicated servers, no mods, no admins, a whole lot of hackers. It’s basically a watered down version of COD 4.

http://www.modernwarfail2.com/2009/11/11/cod-over-the-years/

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[G.02] Final Words

The game will most likely be deserted in a few weeks time due to the worsening problems. And because online multiplayer depends highly on the player base, the self-reinforcing effect on the online after the huge hype will slowly wither off leaving the game in a dead state.

On a more general note, you are warned against purchasing Modern Warfare 2 since it is important to send a message to the gaming industry with the only thing that counts, your wallet. Infinity Ward should be punished on 3 counts:

1.) Repeatedly lied to the PC community (“online same as it ever was”, “not a console port”, etc. etc.).
2.) Completely and absolutely abandoning the PC community that has helped them get to where they are now.
3.) Insulted the PC community. (Calling us a loud minority, generalizing us as pirates, etc.)

Clearly, they do not understand the phrase, the customer is always right. They seem to be forgetting where their pay comes from. No, it’s not from Bobby K. Their salary comes from us, the paying fans/customers.

Do not buy the game, I urge you. It doesn’t matter whether you are a hardcore player or a casual player. The sheer agony you will receive far outweighs the fun you will get playing this half-baked console port.

There is simply NO reason to buy this game.

In the end, you make the decision. Vote with your wallets.

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[G.03] Credits & Changelog

Version 2.0 thread by SlightlyGreen in collaboration with KingofTehInternets and anonymous guest user at IW forums.

Version 3.0 thread overhaul by SlightlyGreen on November 19, 2009.

Version 3.0.1 thread (minor update on B.02) by SlightlyGreen on December 12, 2009.

Version 3.1 thread by SlightlyGreen on December 15, 2009.

Version 3.1.1 thread by SlightlyGreen on January 17, 2010. Updated 03 of C, 02 and 03 of F and 01 of G.

Original post at Infinity Ward forums by a guest user,which can be found at http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=165458

Alternate mirror: http://www.modernwarfare2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=165458

Guest account got destroyed and so did the OP of that thread. Feel free to revisit it, but the original post is gone. ModernWarfail2.com now has the oldest standing warning thread.

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  • berend123
  • berend123
    Luckily the new ''great'' battlefield is unhackable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWQdLhY6RUc

    FAIIIILL
  • ME
    i have one thing to say... have a cry you...
  • PlasticNemesis
    Cool story bro.
  • SavageSwB
    Wow... when I heard about MW2, I was all prepared for it not living up to the expectations of the PC gamers, and then I read the fluff about IWnet, and various other things, and I was certain that it wouldn't be worth my money... And then, there is this... And its not just this site, look around, and its like a broken record, the same complaints, over and over again. Rather than accuse my fellow PC gamers of being whiny fools who are trying to be a Gaming master race, I have come to the conclusion that as even PC gamer mentioned that MW2 had hackers in it, then there must be at least some truth to the comments. I am grateful that my money went on Arma 2, and a developer with whole sub forums devoted to player made mods. Let BIS be the model for future PC game developers!
  • berend123
    Hmm , my little brother already got the account.
    He is only 3 so he cant read , otherwise he wouldn´t take the account because this story is so good 10/10.
  • berend123
    Really , much respect for the dude who made this story.

    It's so convincing , honest ,detailed so I don't need the game anymore.
    Here is my steam Account:
    Username : Modern Warfare 2 Suck Balls.
    Password : Modernwarfail2 sucks balls.

    Gone = Gone , so be quick and stay tuned for more Free Steam Accounts due to this story.

    PS : Last Reply : 6 days ago ^^
  • PlasticNemesis
    Meh. Youre probably just trying to look cool at giving away your 'steam' account, and put 'gone = gone' to convince people that someone got it before.
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Steam account doesn't exist.
  • berend123
    NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
    1 more error and Modern Warfare will be the FUTURE.
  • brett
    as much as i enjoyed reading this i must say you got the australian price wrong that is how much it is in the aus dollar $89.99 AUD which all new releases in aus are usually there about,s some of the more popular releases come out at $120 AUD i got my mw2 for $70 AUD on release day so that is REALLY cheap for us

    sources: im aussie
  • SlightlyGreen
    Updated.
  • SlightlyGreen
    Lolololol.

    It has already been 61 days since launch and yet this page is still pretty much right.

    In fact, I can add more to it if I had the time. Sadly I don't =(

    Also, shout out to KOTI, "Yo man!"
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Shout out back to SG ! Yo man ! ;)
  • Reese
    I have enough trouble with the bugs in COD: WAW, even after multiple updates/patches. Seems to me that the road to neglect started long before this attrocity came about.
  • v0id
    Hi. There is another language issue there. If one owes Russian cd-key and change (even accidentally) game language to English then he'll have to reinstall it from Russian DVD or download 11GB Russian version. However the game doesn't state anywhere that you can't play English and tries to download English version that doesn't work.

    Thread from official forum http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthrea......
  • Weps
    Skipping the lack of dedicated servers, and all the join-a-game-with-your-friends issues.

    I think the game has potential, but is seriously flawed. Either the engine or the network engine. Or, it's being overrun by cheaters.

    Now, I'm not that good (well, not any more) at fps games, but I'm pretty sure I can still aim fast and decently. My adsl line is as stable as hell, always was too.

    However in this game, I'm in like 90% of the cases just too late. Over half the time the replay never shows that I actually fired, or it shows I fired way less.
    Other players seem to be able to kill me with just 6 bullets, while I need an entire clip (no, I'm not spraying). I can hear the impact-sound that indicates a hit (no, not just one, a whole bunch of them). People just don't die.

    Further more, some times the replay shows actually people standing right in front of me (like a meter!!), while I never saw anybody. I do have a first class gaming system, it still might be video lag of some kind, but I doubt that.

    And the knife laggers is what really bothers me. They're just unhittable. They can stab you from 10 meters away, but I can't hit them?

    I expected a tactical shooter, but it turns out to be a knife/shottie bunnyhopping afair. The higher the ping, the faster you move, the higher the score, it seems.
  • oyvinator
    i enjoyed singleplayer..
    i found multiplayer horrible and have only tried that once.. with a ping around 200 if i try to compare with bf2..
    horrible horrible lag..
    oh.. i also bought this on steam..
    wich i had to pay the nice sum of 60 EURO for(!)
    nok 60 US dollars that you feel is a lot..
    60 goddamned EURO!!
  • shamsham
    This all seems like a bunch of whiny bullshit. I have the game and many of these "flaws" are downright silly. I'm sorry that many of you are butthurt over what happened with this game compared to its predecessor, but damn, quit the futile effort now. IW knows exactly what they're doing and they don't give a shit so you shouldn't either. You won't change a thing.
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Thanks for this great comment ! Super cool story bro, really based on facts and stuff.

    /sarcasm

    Troll is obvious. GTFO
  • SlightlyGreen
    Hi, I am announcing that I shall be inactive on ModernWarfail2.com starting today.

    I am flat out tired waiting for and wanting Infinity Ward to do something. It was fun though. Christmas has reminded me that I have wasted too much time on something utterly futile.

    Post author has now been switched to KingOfTehInternets, thanks man, you rule =)

    Merry Christmas and goodbye.
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Noooooo, are you serious SlightlyGreen ? You just gave me the worst Christmas gift ever :(

    Take care.
  • SlightlyGreen
    Well, I shall be mostly inactive. Sometimes popping over to see whether IW has become any smarter or not. I stopped reading IW forums sometime ago and really, now have nothing nice to post about.

    Merry Christmas again.
  • Stormwalker
    I'm glad to see that this website is available to inform people about the horrendous turd that is MW2.
  • shikukurindo
    Lol, look at this, i joined to the IW community, just to get my thoughts to them, i received this message about Modern Warfare2 for why they are using IWnet and they think its better than a admin... but LOOK at that text :DDDD it made me laugh,: you don't have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. WTF, it should be other way, we SHOULD be worried about where we end up in the matchmaking :DD

    Cheat / Hack Free Games: The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don't have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server admin of the server to constantly be monitoring, banning, and policing it. Modern Warfare 2 on PC allows us to control the quality of the game much more than ever before as well as utilizing the VAC (Valve-Anti-Cheat) system to keep games clean of hackers and cheaters.
  • shikukurindo
    Why the fuck did IW leave us? i wanna reply to them with my video about a multihacker
  • shikukurindo
    I hate this game... seriously. it fails more than Vegas 1, wich allso uses matchmaking of sorts, and its fanbase dropped about half of the one other Rainbow six series.
  • shikukurindo
    And damn, i got a godmod user too...
    i shot a full clip to him, from my MG4, he just stand before me, and from killcam i saw he stopped, then he continued to run and his ping were on that lowest one, it seems he went to windows, just to turn it off...
  • shikukurindo
    Oh and one thing, i saw on killcam on my other play, one guy shot me and two others with 2 bullets, from the end of the map, through smoke, and a block of wall, to the head, and he just said that VAC is shit, does this mean, someone has released a autohack program, as i think it would be possible? because so many players today use hacks?
  • shikukurindo
    i have heard that someone hacked the Downloaded version of this game, so it doesnt need IWnet anymore, and they made a private client patch to it, but the rooms they use to host games by using their own dedicated thingy do have a limited number of rooms/ its hard to find someone who knows about this thing, it has been kept secret for so long. oh, and btw, the multiplayer.. its so Fckn bad... i noticed on my time i played it (bought it 2 days ago, with 32 euros on finland) about 20 hackers. one came to the server as lvl 1 player, them quit, came back, and voila, he was lvl70.. i too know that Punkbuster has some serious bugs with cod 4. but i got it to work by someway, and it is the most best Cod ever, after the first. and installing... it failed, i had to download the game from STEAM, because my Cd drive said the cd was empty.. i hate too those fucken overbalanced killstreak fuck system, it has fucked up the rank system, and i happened to play a few hours ago, i got hit by an multihacker, speedhack, and a knifehacker.
  • Meanpooh
    I have this game for PS3 and 360. I have noticed day by day that this game is getting hacked/glitched to pieces. Now by no means am I a saint, I have d/led my share of 360 and Pc games but like most gamers, I do buy the ones that I like. I cant believe that IW screwed the PC community like they have. I am really regretting my purchases.
    F this game and thanks for the info!
  • SlightlyGreen
    Actually a screenshot would be enough, just upload it to imageshack and put the link here.

    Thanks =)

    What I would suggest is, showing that you have the latest ATI drivers and the blurry text at the same time.
  • Cant say i had these problems then again did not buy the game and never will. The moment they announced "no dedicated servers" that was it enough reasons for me to keep as far away from this game as possible.

    What distrurbs me the most there are still alot of people who did buy it and playing it. MW1 was anwsome infact all cod's made by IW were awnsome until this piece of stinking dog shit but even EA has not sunk this low and EA aint high on my list either.

    Greetz
  • Lowry-RLM
    The blurry text bug (B.02) is still an issue for ATI FireGL 7200 cards.
  • SlightlyGreen
    Ok thanks.

    EDIT: I'm sorry but, can you please post some proof or something? I hope it isn't too much.

    I am trying to make this thread as least subjective as possible.
  • Lowry-RLM
    Would a screenshot be suitable proof for you? Do you need a dxdiag file or anything else?
  • cypher
    Maybe you can add that you can't play coop with 2 different (region) versions of the game. For example, my friend has the german version and I have US - so we can't play Coop together.
  • SlightlyGreen
    Hmm, can you post a link or reference?

    I would be glad to add it in.
  • cypher
    Sorry, i can't think of a reference... it was just my personal experience.
    Wait, i have read something in the german games magazine "Gamestar" that i can scan in and translate. Be right back...
  • cypher
    I found it! Here's the scan on two different image hosters:
    http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/2876/differe...
    http://img8.abload.de/img/different-version701h...
    (I marked the relevant part in red)

    Original text:
    "Spec-Ops-Einschränkung
    Abermals ein Ärgernis der deutschen Version: Wer den Spec-Ops-Modus übers Internet kooperativ absolvieren will, kann das nur mit Spielern tun, die ebenfalls die deutsche Version besitzen. Eine Verbindung mit Spielern, die eine anderssprachige Fassung einsetzen, wird von der Software blockiert. Immerhin gilt diese Einschränkung nicht für den normalen Multiplayer-Teil des Titels."

    Translation:
    "Spec-Ops restriction
    Another annoyance of the German version: Who wants to play the Spec-Ops-mode with another player over the internet, can do it only with players that also have the German version. A connection with a version in an other language is going to be blocked by the software. At least this restriction is not applyed on the regular multiplayer part of the game."
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Awesome article. I enjoined reading it, yes I also speak some German :). Is this the complete article or does it consit of more pages ? Also, do you have any spare time to translate the complete article so that I can post it onto the frontpage ? My German lanuage skills sadly aren't that good to translate it. Thanks !
  • cypher
    I'm glad to hear that. That's just the one page of the 12-page test. The rest is 5 pages actual test, 2 pages multiplayer test (mostly about the features, a bit about the bad bad matchmaking), 2 pages graphic adjustment and compatibility and 2 pages of a discussion about the airport-mission. The game however got 89%.

    Well i didn't think the rest of this page was important, because most of it is already on the list. The rest contains:
    - 60 Euro price on every platform (that's about 87 US$) - (now the price is settled down at about 50€, on amazon.de even 40€, what is a regular PC-game price here)
    - no collector's edition on the PC
    - steam requirement
    - no other languages in the German version (only German)
    - same MP like on consoles (no ded. servers, etc...)
    - no LAN-mode
    - and of course the Spec-Ops problems with different languages.

    Most of this is already covered in your list. But collector's edition and LAN mode can be added, or have I overlooked?

    I sure can translate the complete page when I find some spare time.
  • KingOfTehInternets
    The rest indeed isn't that much breaking news, but it's still nice to see another gaming magazine 'bashing' MW2
  • SlightlyGreen
    Hello, thank you for your time, unfortunately its kinda late now. How about I add it in after I get up?

    Again, thanks.

    Oh and KOTI, maybe I'll just make a direct reference to your post. So don't worry 'bout me =)
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Not quite sure what you mean with:

    Oh and KOTI, maybe I'll just make a direct reference to your post. So don't worry 'bout me =)

    ??
  • SlightlyGreen
    Lol, sorry 'bout that, I was in a sleepy state when I said that.

    I now have no idea what I wanted to say.
  • SlightlyGreen
    3.1 Thread Update
  • SlightlyGreen
    Its funny how my entire post still stands after so many days.
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Because it's very detailed !
  • SlightlyGreen
    Lol, what I actually meant was, all these problems still exist even after so many days.

    Thanks for your compliment anyways =)

    Also, MW2 is not in IGN's PC GOTY or Best Multiplayer.

    REJOICE!
  • Not bad.
    Even with all its flaws, its still very entertaining game. You say that pc players will abandon this game in few weeks/months, i think it will go on for years.

    Not perfect, but very good.
  • (R)S(P)DemonRabbit
    Another fail. Honestly, the series has been in a steep decline that started with CoD2. CoD:UO still continues to be the best CoD. IW should've taken greymatters awesome improvements on CoD1 and put them into CoD2.
  • burnsson
    it's the same shit happening with the forza motorsport franchise on the xbox360.

    same lying, ignoring, censoring and pretending from turn10 (developer).

    this is a trend, it's not isolated on CoD.
  • PlasticNemesis
    I remember, this post saved my ass. +100 000 000 for you man.
  • iRageQuit
    Oh snap, silentphenom and justin have found this site.

    Prepare to be astroturfed.
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Let's see what they are up to...
  • prick1234
    KingOfTehInternets , come with more useless arguments please!
  • KingOfTehInternets
    I'm not the author of this article. SlightlyGreen is. I kindly would like to ask you to forward/'point' your comments/feedback on this article to him. Thank you.
  • Left4Bread
    For one, the game worked perfectly for me, I have encountered none of this.
    Price: Normal for consoles
    Steam: Great system
    Hackers: Havn't seen one
    Or, if your going to complain that much, buy a console.
    Jesus.
  • KingOfTehInternets
    "I have encountered none of this.". Good for you, but there are a lot of people who do encouter these issues. It's not like the whole world has everything the same like you have.
    "Price: Normal for consoles".... FAIL. We're talking about the PC version here.
    "Hackers: Havn't seen one"... Good for you. Again, other people have.
    Thanks for this *great* thoughtful comment.
  • these guys know nothing do they. calling all pc gamers pirates...
    little did they know i've only purchased online call of duty series for the multiplayer as well as some others. now i've played this on my friends pc. and seing as to how they call us pirates and gives us crap at the same time, i would say lets not buy it and download it and wait for cracks to be out. we may only be 2/10 of their profit but hell if they lost 2 our of 10 mil they got off easy.

    cheers.
  • nomecone
    the text issue is due to a graphics driver problem. I have only had the problem on ATI machines
  • nomecone
    The Text not diplaying correctly is due to a video driver issue. I have only had problems with ATI graphics cards
  • XY
    The only annoying thing is.. there's no auto-balance.
  • Gazfaz
    For sale 1 near new copy of MW2 single player has been played but it only ever managed to play 1 and 1/2 online games due to too much lag and not being able to find a game to jump into.
    going cheap as its too much hastle to try and play multi player.

    very disapointed with infinity ward :(
  • xxxxx
    The lags didn't change much.I played both Cod 4 and Cod WaW before and the lag was horrible for me.I was also kicked out of servers by Punkbuster and all the other issues.So even with lags and bugs i'm not gonna be surprised and gonna buy this game.
  • :D
    Tim , if u had problems finding a normal cod4 public server then that's your problem. Pathetic whiner. These people are not whining lol , you are. They are pointing out obvious idiotic bugs and all the other shit , you are just telling how you were a braindead monkey and couldn't manually search a decent server , which for me took like 3 minutes max. :D
    I just finished watching the overpowered killstreak video :D OMG :D and that's even on xbox360 :D:D i lmao'd. I think someone needs to try just giving the controller to your dog and he would even get a decent score :D this game i guess requires absofuckinlutely no skill at all :D
  • Moose
    A little known fact about vote skip under: [D.07] Maps

    The map being skipped is not excluded from the pool of maps being selected to replace it. I've had this happen multiple times where say the lobby chose to skip Sub Base only to be greeted with Sub Base once again with no option to skip again and a lobby of 18 people moaning and leaving.

    Also in D somewhere you should add that even though there is a button to change teams it does not work out side of private matches. Even if it is Ground War and one team has 9 players while the other has 3 the change team feature is grayed out. I've gone 4 matches where my team rage quit leaving me and 2-4 others fending off 9 people while IWnet refused to add more players.
  • SlightlyGreen
    @DIMITRY

    Hope you enjoy L4D 2!
  • Dimitry
    I like everything about this game. Great multiplayer if you ask me, never had this feeling before.

    But... I usually play 30 mins before going to bed. Gosh, yesterday I waited 15 mins before "we" could "find" ppl to play, and in 3 mins game just stopped. I went to bed.
    Tonite I am playing L4D2 instead.
    And it costed me 60 $!!!! Please return dedicated servers... We are not THAT STUPID THAT WE CANT DECIDE WHERE TO PLAY!!!!
  • SlightlyGreen
    @DOUG

    Singleplayer is fun, Doug, you are right about that. But $60 is a whole lot to pay for just the single player don't you think?
  • Doug
    I bought the game.
    Do I regret? No
    Would I recommend it? No
    Would I buy any other Infinity Ward game? Depends on how they support the PC version of this MW2
    Do I have fun playing the game? Single mission is fun. Multiple player could have been a lot better. It NEEDs to be improved.
  • Gumber
    I am in the same boat as you are. $59.99 (US) is pretty steep for the single player missions which I enjoyed. For that money I shouldn't be able to beat it in ONE DAY ON VETERAN. I mean really, taht price would be acceptable if multiplayer wasn't half bad. At this point I won't even go near multiplayer anymore, (i'm level 28, and i'm pissed) The non-dedicated servers are a farce, a lame joke. I kinda wished multiplayer would be more fun, and the non-leaning....REALLY? And when was the last time NPC's could do more than actual living breathing human players?
  • SlightlyGreen
    If any of you guys are interested, please view my draft for the 3.0 update on this warning.

    Still in early stages though, going to add the Trojan issues inside too.

    http://www.modernwarfail2.com/?p=655

    Might be done tomorrow (Currently my time is 12:10 AM; my tomorrow means, a few hours later.)
  • SlightlyGreen
    Tim, the game works fine for you doesn't mean it works fine with everyone.

    I don't want to play the game because there isn't any dedicated servers. If you don't like dedicated servers then good, this is the game for you. But I refuse to spend $60 on a game that is (In my opinion) inferior than its predecessor in almost every single way.

    Calling us whiners won't help when you yourself is whining.
  • Jambo
    I still stick with the original fact that dedicated servers must be brought in. until then i am not paying more for less... if i wanted matchmaking i would use the shitty ps3 downstairs BUT WHERE ARE THE COMMUNITIES AND CLANS ON PS3 LIKE THERE ARE ON PC PILE OF WANK
  • grizz
    no problems with the game here, install took about 30 min total
  • Topher
    I bought this game and had very high expectations. I was really excited to play the game even though I knew there were no dedicated servers. I was willing to give it a shot. I wish I didn't and here are a few reasons why...


    #1 The lag is extremely annoying. I will randomly lag out several times from 5-30 seconds. Then when it stops im watching a death cam. I can only prone and hope no one notices me. Don't tell me it is my internet connection I am a CCNA certified tech and work in engineering for my ISP. 90% of the people that I have spoken with have the same issue. Unless they are console players that don't know any better.

    #2 I hosted a game and got 17 knife kills in a row due to the 0 ping advantage. Listen servers FTW!

    #3 Your avrage ping is going to be 100+. On any other FPS game I will not even play on a server if it is over 60. I might as well be playing on 56k connection.

    #4 Just like Kingoftheinternets post on the main page. Since you are the host you can manipulate the connections from the other players on your pc.

    #5 The game will randomly stop and find a new host. This happens maybe every other game. Sometimes several times a game.

    #6 VAC doesn't protect anything. VAC will release a update. The hackers will change the code a few hours later and bam undetectable once again. Sounds a lot like Counter-Strike.

    #7 There is no lean. I find it funny that a couple of times in the single player a NPC said check those corners and the NPCs are capable of leaning...

    #8 You have to use steam to play and also During installation you may have to download the game instead of install it from the cds. To install both single player and multiplayer it took 6 hours.

    #9 9vs9 isn't such a big deal to me. I don't like playing on huge servers anyway but I would like a choice and I'm sure others would also.

    #10 Robert Bowling lies! Why would you want to do buisness with a company that lies and trys to cencor the truth about thier game.
  • Steve
    I bought the game and every seven seconds or so I lag HARD. Furthermore, regardless of you having a fine time playing Tim, lots of us aren't. Do you realize you paid $10 more for less of a game? How does that not compute for you. I wish I had found this site prior to my purchase. Anyone think IW will heed our demands?
  • Tim Krupinski
    * meant to say not indicative in the last sentence of the first paragraph
  • Tim Krupinski
    See, here's what i don't get.
    You say 220k people. Where are you getting the number, from the petition? You realize that one: most of those people haven't purchased the gameor played the mp and two: there's a huge amount of multiple and joke signings. So not only is that number indicative of the people who HAVE played it who know what they're talking about, it's also completely false.

    I've signed it 3 times, as a joke. The IW team has signed it multiple times. If this isn't where you're pulling this number from, i'd like to see these 220 thousand people that purchased the game and are dissatisfied.
  • reznov
    Lookie here, proof that the number of dissatisfied people is definitely MORE than a "mere" 220k people
    http://www.modernwarfail2.com/2009/12/30/modern...
  • KingOfTehInternets
    Meh Tim, do I really need to repost my complete website into this comment ? There is alot of evidence that more than 220.000 other PC gamers find this PC crap and more than enough evidence that this game has some serious issues.

    It doesn't mean ofcourse that every PC gamer encouter these issues, like for instance you, but as you can see there are enough issues which could have occured to you too !
  • Woody
    If I'd have known about some of this shit before I bought the game then I would have seriously considered my purchase of the game. I've had exams over the last month so I haven't paid much attention to the shortfalls of the game that may have surfaced online or in media over the last few weeks. I knew about the dedicated servers being lost for PC players but as a console player still imagined the matchmaking would be of a quality analogous to titles noted for their multiplayer functionality (such as Halo 3, Modern Warfare 1 and even Treyarch's World at War). The exclusion of a locale only feature has ruined the game for me, I can't even get a decent connection during hours when Australians are more likely to be playing. Wish I knew about this page before I bought the fucking game, it's a farce that IW has disenfranchised whole groups of players, be they non-american, PC or otherwise.
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